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Date: 2018-03-06 22:30:01
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Thanks John for taking the time to provide the information - much appreciat=
ed.
Mike Carlson

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On Tuesday, March 6, 2018 1:25 PM, "johntudek@ymail.c... [DRGW]" <DRGW@y=
ahoogroups.com> wrote:
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=C2=A0 Jim, Steve, Mike, Andrew, etc.
With regard to the twin-bay hopper model that Steve asked about, not only i=
s the=C2=A0lettering incorrect, but also the length. The Grande cars are 30=
' - 2" inside bodylength and 33' 5" to the inside pulling face of the coupl=
ers.
The Rio Grande Western had two series of these cars built by Pressed Steel =
CarCo. =C2=A0The first series, RGW 1202 - 1226 (25 cars) =C2=A0were constru=
cted 10-1929.These are the cars that had the fish-belly side sills and the =
lower side & end sheets.Level capacity is shown as 1337 cubic feet. =C2=A0S=
ides were 5' 3" from top of side sillto top of car. =C2=A0These became D&RG=
W 18200 - 18223 =C2=A0(24 cars)
The second series, RGW 1227 - 1276 (50 cars) are shown as constructed 10-19=
00.These have the straight side sills and the side sheets are 6' 6". =C2=A0=
Level capacity isshown as 1696 cubic feet. =C2=A0These became D&RGW 18224 -=
18271 (48 cars)
Both series of cars were rebuilt by the D&RGW in 1926. =C2=A0January 21, 19=
27 equipment=C2=A0summery shows=C2=A0only =C2=A069 cars of the original 75 =
still in revenue service.
April 1942 show 6 cars converted to covered hoppers. =C2=A0These are renumb=
ered 18300thru 18305. =C2=A0They are converted for the purpose of hauling A=
rsenic Dust from Utah.
New # =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Old #18300 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1823018301 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 18243=
18301 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1824718303 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1824818304 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 18250=
18305 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 18255
In Sept. 1943 an additional 10 cars renumbered 18306 - 18315 are converted =
to=C2=A0covered hoppers or 16 cars total. =C2=A0 (unfortunately I have been=
unable to find some=C2=A0of my notes specifically=C2=A0the AFE,s and Compl=
etion Reports for this set of conversions=C2=A0at the moment) =C2=A0Note ho=
wever, that none of the original 25 cars (18200-18223) wereused for the cov=
ered hopper conversions.
The series remained unchanged until 11-1946 =C2=A0into 5-1947. At that time=
10 cars=C2=A0were=C2=A0selected for conversion to D&RGW non-revenue sand s=
ervice under AFE T-603. =C2=A0Allwere converted at Salt Lake City.
M of W =C2=A0 =C2=A0 C-H =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 OldX-3552 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 18310 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 18262X-3553 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 18309 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 18234=
X-3554 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 18302 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 18248X-3555 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 18305 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 18243X-3556 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 18303 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 18230X-3557 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 18306 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 18227X-3558 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 18300 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 18255X-3559 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 18312 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 18224X-3560 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=
18308 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 18257 =C2=A0X-3561 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 18304 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1=
8247
Of the 10 cars in sand service, 5 of them were from the original 6 cars con=
verted=C2=A0to=C2=A0covered hoppers. =C2=A0(missing the 18250) =C2=A0The la=
st of the covered hoppers in M of Wservice the =C2=A0X-3552, was retired in=
11-1954 under AFE 3552 at Pueblo. =C2=A0The lasttwo=C2=A0cars=C2=A0of the =
18300=C2=A0thru 18315 series were removed in 7-1955. =C2=A0The last of the=
=C2=A0old=C2=A018200 -=C2=A018271 series was retired 8-1956.
Hope this is of interest.
John T.



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<div>Jim, Steve, Mike, Andrew, etc.</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>With regard to the twin-bay hopper model that Steve asked about, not only is the&nbsp;</div><div>lettering incorrect, but also the length. The Grande cars are 30' - 2" inside body</div><div>length and 33' 5" to the inside pulling face of the couplers.</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>The Rio Grande Western had two series of these cars built by Pressed Steel Car</div><div>Co. &nbsp;The first series, RGW 1202 - 1226 (25 cars) &nbsp;were constructed 10-1929.</div><div>These are the cars that had the fish-belly side sills and the lower side &amp; end sheets.</div><div>Level capacity is shown as 1337 cubic feet. &nbsp;Sides were 5' 3" from top of side sill</div><div>to top of car. &nbsp;These became D&amp;RGW 18200 - 18223 &nbsp;(24 cars)</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>The second series, RGW 1227 - 1276 (50 cars) are shown as constructed 10-1900.</div><div>These have the straight side sills and the side sheets are 6' 6". &nbsp;Level capacity is</div><div>shown as 1696 cubic feet. &nbsp;These became D&amp;RGW 18224 - 18271 (48 cars)</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>Both series of cars were rebuilt by the D&amp;RGW in 1926. &nbsp;January 21, 1927 equipment&nbsp;</div><div>summery shows&nbsp;<span style="word-spacing: normal;">only &nbsp;69 cars of the original 75 still in revenue service.</span></div><div><span style="word-spacing: normal;"><br clear="none"></span></div><div><span style="word-spacing: normal;">April 1942 show 6 cars converted to covered hoppers. &nbsp;These are renumbered 18300</span></div><div><span style="word-spacing: normal;">thru 18305. &nbsp;They are converted for the purpose of hauling<span style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: underline;"> Arsenic Dust </span>from Utah.</span></div><div><span style="word-spacing: normal;"><br clear="none"></span></div><div><span style="word-spacing: normal;">New # &nbsp; &nbsp; Old #</span></div><div><span style="word-spacing: normal;">18300 &nbsp; &nbsp; 18230</span></div><div><span style="word-spacing: normal;">18301 &nbsp; &nbsp; 18243</span></div><div><span style="word-spacing: normal;">18301 &nbsp; &nbsp; 18247</span></div><div><span style="word-spacing: normal;">18303 &nbsp; &nbsp; 18248</span></div><div><span style="word-spacing: normal;">18304 &nbsp; &nbsp; 18250</span></div><div><span style="word-spacing: normal;">18305 &nbsp; &nbsp; 18255</span></div><div><span style="word-spacing: normal;"><br clear="none"></span></div><div><span style="word-spacing: normal;">In Sept. 1943 an additional 10 cars renumbered 18306 - 18315 are converted to&nbsp;</span></div><div><span style="word-spacing: normal;">covered hoppers or 16 cars total. &nbsp; (unfortunately I have been unable to find some&nbsp;</span></div><div><span style="word-spacing: normal;">of my notes specifically&nbsp;</span><span style="word-spacing: normal;">the AFE,s and Completion Reports for this set of conversions&nbsp;</span></div><div><span style="word-spacing: normal;">at the moment) &nbsp;Note however, that none of the original 25 cars (18200-18223) were</span></div><div><span style="word-spacing: normal;">used for the covered hopper conversions.</span></div><div><span style="word-spacing: normal;"><br clear="none"></span></div><div><span style="word-spacing: normal;">The series remained unchanged until 11-1946 &nbsp;into 5-1947. At that time 10 cars&nbsp;</span><span style="word-spacing: normal;">were</span></div><div><span style="word-spacing: normal;">&nbsp;selected for conversion to D&amp;RGW non-revenue sand service under AFE T-603. &nbsp;All</span></div><div><span style="word-spacing: normal;">were converted at Salt Lake City.</span></div><div><span style="word-spacing: normal;"><br clear="none"></span></div><div><span style="word-spacing: normal;">M of W &nbsp; &nbsp; C-H &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Old</span></div><div><span style="word-spacing: normal;">X-3552 &nbsp; &nbsp; 18310 &nbsp; &nbsp; 18262</span></div><div><span style="word-spacing: normal;">X-3553 &nbsp; &nbsp; 18309 &nbsp; &nbsp; 18234</span></div><div><span style="word-spacing: normal;"><span style="text-decoration: underline;">X-3554</span> &nbsp; &nbsp; 18302 &nbsp; &nbsp; 18248</span></div><div><span style="word-spacing: normal;"><span style="text-decoration: underline;">X-3555 </span>&nbsp; &nbsp; 18305 &nbsp; &nbsp; 18243</span></div><div><span style="word-spacing: normal;"><span style="text-decoration: underline;">X-3556</span> &nbsp; &nbsp; 18303 &nbsp; &nbsp; 18230</span></div><div><span style="word-spacing: normal;">X-3557 &nbsp; &nbsp; 18306 &nbsp; &nbsp; 18227</span></div><div><span style="word-spacing: normal;"><span style="text-decoration: underline;">X-3558</span> &nbsp; &nbsp; 18300 &nbsp; &nbsp; 18255</span></div><div><span style="word-spacing: normal;">X-3559 &nbsp; &nbsp; 18312 &nbsp; &nbsp; 18224</span></div><div><span style="word-spacing: normal;">X-3560 &nbsp; &nbsp; 18308 &nbsp; &nbsp; 18257 &nbsp;</span></div><div><span style="word-spacing: normal;"><span style="text-decoration: underline;">X-3561</span> &nbsp; &nbsp; 18304 &nbsp; &nbsp; 18247</span></div><div><span style="word-spacing: normal;"><br clear="none"></span></div><div><span style="word-spacing: normal;">Of the 10 cars in sand service, 5 of them were from the original 6 cars converted&nbsp;</span><span style="word-spacing: normal;">to&nbsp;</span></div><div><span style="word-spacing: normal;">covered hoppers. &nbsp;(missing the 18250) &nbsp;The last of the covered hoppers in M of W</span></div><div><span style="word-spacing: normal;">service the &nbsp;X-3552, was retired in 11-1954 under AFE 3552 at Pueblo. &nbsp;The last</span></div><div><span style="word-spacing: normal;">two&nbsp;</span><span style="word-spacing: normal;">cars&nbsp;</span><span style="word-spacing: normal;">of the 18300&nbsp;</span><span style="word-spacing: normal;">thru 18315 series were removed in 7-1955. &nbsp;The last of the&nbsp;</span></div><div><span style="word-spacing: normal;">old&nbsp;</span><span style="word-spacing: normal;">18200 -&nbsp;</span><span style="word-spacing: normal;">18271 series was retired 8-1956.</span></div><div><span style="word-spacing: normal;"><br clear="none"></span></div><div><span>Hope this is of interest.</span></div><div><span style="word-spacing: normal;"><br clear="none"></span></div><div><span style="word-spacing: normal;">John T.</span></div><div><span style="word-spacing: normal;"><br clear="none"></span></div><div><span style="word-spacing: normal;"><br clear="none"></span></div><div><span style="word-spacing: normal;"><br clear="none"></span></div><div><span style="word-spacing: normal;"><br clear="none"></span></div>

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