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[DRGW] Color of the roof roland.levin@bredband.n... [DRGW] (DRGW@yahoogroups.c...) 2018-02-27 15:08:36
Re: [DRGW] Color of the roof Jim Eager jeager@sympatico.c... [DRGW] (DRGW@yahoogroups.c...) 2018-02-27 10:29:11
Re: [DRGW] Color of the roof Roland Levin roland.levin@bredband.n... [DRGW] (DRGW@yahoogroups.c...) 2018-02-27 18:44:49
Re: [DRGW] Color of the roof Jim Eager jeager@sympatico.c... [DRGW] (DRGW@yahoogroups.c...) 2018-02-27 15:42:45
Re: [DRGW] Color of the roof johntudek@ymail.c... [DRGW] (DRGW@yahoogroups.c...) 2018-02-28 04:37:03
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Re: [DRGW] Re: Color of the roof Roland Levin roland.levin@bredband.n... [DRGW] (DRGW@yahoogroups.c...) 2018-03-01 21:56:15
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Re: [DRGW] Re: Color of the roof Roland Levin roland.levin@bredband.n... [DRGW] (DRGW@yahoogroups.c...) 2018-03-01 23:25:18
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From: Roland Levin roland.levin@bredband.n... [DRGW] (DRGW@yahoogroups.c...)
Date: 2018-03-01 21:56:15
Subject: Re: [DRGW] Re: Color of the roof

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Hi John
I have actually found 2 pictures of cars from this series.
DRGW61628 double sheeted wood car with double doors. Claimed to be a photo
from 1963 in Denver.
DRGW61729 steel sheeted car with double doors and increased hight.

Both cars have fish belly center will.

Roland Levin


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PÃ¥ 1 mars 2018 8:49:01 em "johntudek@ymail.c... [DRGW]"
<DRGW@yahoogroups.c...> skrev:

> Roland,
>
> Of all the Rio Grande cars, this series must have one of the most convoluted
> histories of all. Nothing less than a minor miracle to have found a photo
> / slide
> of one of the older cars.
>
>
> Folio sheets and car records show these were 50' double door Auto Boxes
> built by Mt. Vernon Car Mfg. Co. starting in 6-1926 (200 cars total in series)
> thru 7-1927 (500 cars total in series) The records would that they were
> originally numbered in the 61200 thru 61699 series.
>
>
> In late 1935 / early 1936, 300 of the cars were re-numbered into the 61400
> thru 61699 series, leaving 199 cars in the old series. (first car off
> roster was
> the 61395 wrecked 1-27-1929 on the NO&NE Walters, Mass.
>
>
> Then in 1937 20 cars were removed from the 61400-61699 series and renumbered
> 61700 thru 61719.
>
>
> In June and July 1941, another 30 cars were removed from the 61400-61699 series
> and placed with the 61700's making that series now 61700 thru 61749
>
>
> As of Dec. 31 1941 tallies were:
>
>
> 61200 - 61399 188 cars
> 61400 - 61699 249 cars
> 61700 - 61749 50 cars
>
>
> Sept. thru Nov. of 1942 saw another 50 cars removed from the 61400-61699 group
> now making a total of 100 cars in series 61700 thru 61799.
>
>
> By Dec. 1950, the three cars series are still fairly well intact with:
>
>
> 61200 - 61399 182 cars
> 61400 - 61699 189 cars
> 61700 - 61799 99 cars
>
>
> The 1951 Freight Car Roster makes a special note that cars 61720 - 61799
> are all
> steel equipped with Loaders.
>
>
> By Dec. 1965 which is when the Freight Car Records cease. (at least in
> handy card
> form) the rosters show the following tallies still in revenue service.
>
>
> 61200 - 61399 10 cars
> 61400 - 61699 9 cars
> 61700 - 61799 4 cars
>
>
> Oddly enough the only specific mention of series 61720 thru 61749 is on Folio
> Sheet F-16. The painting diagram notes that 12-T is to be stenciled on the
> doors
> and the class XMH on the sides. (a total of 13 cars) 11 cars are to have
> 16-T on
> the doors and the class XAR on the sides. Remainder of cars in series
> 61720 - 61799
> are class XM.
>
>
> So,... maybe more information than you wanted but there it is.
>
>
> John T.
>
>
> ---In drgw@yahoogroups.c..., <roland.levin@...> wrote :
>
> Hi John
> You wrote some different series of cars. I have managed to identify all but
> one of them. What series of cars are 61720 to 61799? I can find picture of
> modern RBL delivered in the 70s and one very old 50' boxcar with increased
> roof height with numbers which correspond to that series.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Roland
>
>
>
>

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DRGW61729 steel sheeted car with double doors and increased hight.</p>
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ne of the older cars.</div><div><br></div><div>Folio sheets and car records=
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