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[DRGW] Gates Rubber Company Denver Roger Michels colorailfan@msn.c... [DRGW] (DRGW@yahoogroups.c...) 2018-02-23 16:46:18
Re: [DRGW] Gates Rubber Company Denver Jim Eager jeager@sympatico.c... [DRGW] (DRGW@yahoogroups.c...) 2018-02-23 15:01:43
Re: [DRGW] Gates Rubber Company Denver BNSFBarker@aol.c... [DRGW] (DRGW@yahoogroups.c...) 2018-02-24 05:11:36
Re: [DRGW] Gates Rubber Company Denver michael carlson mamicarl@att.n... [DRGW] (DRGW@yahoogroups.c...) 2018-02-24 15:29:43
Re: [DRGW] Gates Rubber Company Denver grandegoing@gmail.c... [DRGW] (DRGW@yahoogroups.c...) 2018-02-24 15:54:48
Re: [DRGW] Gates Rubber Company Denver Jim Eager jeager@sympatico.c... [DRGW] (DRGW@yahoogroups.c...) 2018-02-24 12:26:33
Re: [DRGW] Gates Rubber Company Denver Jim Eager jeager@sympatico.c... [DRGW] (DRGW@yahoogroups.c...) 2018-02-24 12:45:30
Re: [DRGW] Gates Rubber Company Denver michael carlson mamicarl@att.n... [DRGW] (DRGW@yahoogroups.c...) 2018-02-24 17:40:46
Re: [DRGW] Gates Rubber Company Denver Roger Michels colorailfan@msn.c... [DRGW] (DRGW@yahoogroups.c...) 2018-02-24 19:17:04
Re: [DRGW] Gates Rubber Company Denver jaguar66@aol.c... [DRGW] (DRGW@yahoogroups.c...) 2018-02-24 14:47:02
Re: [DRGW] Gates Rubber Company Denver glenn_leasure@yahoo.c... [DRGW] (DRGW@yahoogroups.c...) 2018-02-24 22:02:06
Re: [DRGW] Gates Rubber Company Denver Jim Eager jeager@sympatico.c... [DRGW] (DRGW@yahoogroups.c...) 2018-02-24 17:24:37
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Re: [DRGW] Gates Rubber Company Denver Jim Eager jeager@sympatico.c... [DRGW] (DRGW@yahoogroups.c...) 2018-02-24 23:17:22
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From: michael carlson mamicarl@att.n... [DRGW] (DRGW@yahoogroups.c...)
Date: 2018-02-24 17:40:46
Subject: Re: [DRGW] Gates Rubber Company Denver

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Thanks Guys, appreciate it very much.=20
Mike Carlson=20

On Saturday, February 24, 2018 11:26 AM, "Jim Eager jeager@sympatico.c...=
[DRGW]" <DRGW@yahoogroups.c...> wrote:
=20

=C2=A0 The Gates plant was built in the late 1910s. There is a series of=
photos documenting its construction in the on-line Dever Public Library We=
tsern History digital collection. The plant ceased operations in 1991 and t=
hen steadily deteriorated into an abandoned derilect ruin until demolished =
in 2013-2014.

The main plant complex was to the east of the Joint Line mains, and was swi=
tched by the C&S, while the inbound materials (raw rubber, carbon black, so=
lvants) complex was to the west of the main, switched by the Rio Grande. I =
have found a single photo showing the Grande=E2=80=99s South Local with an =
ACFX CF 4589 carbon black car lettered for Ashland Chemical. (One of Chuck=
=E2=80=99s from the list files?)

Carbon black is mainly produced from petrolium coke in Oklahoma and the Gul=
f Coast region, which points toward the car routing and interchange point. =
I have found a single photo of a northbound D&RGW Joint Line train with one=
of the older design carbon black covered hoppers. That=E2=80=99s not surpr=
ising since any Gulf Coast cb traffic would more likely be handled by ATSF =
or C&S direct to Denver, and any wb Oklahoma cb traffic to be interchanged =
in Denver via the RI, or in Pueblo by the MP.

Jim Eager

> Gentlemen,
> Does anyone have any photos of the cars the carbon black was delivered in=
.. at the the plant and how they were routed onto the Rio Grande. Did they o=
riginate on the D&RGW or where they received from interchange from other ra=
ilroad(s), and at what interchange locations, Denver. Pueblo, Salt Lake oth=
ers? Also when was this plant built and how long has it been in operation. =
I am sure it was over several decades and most probably several types of ca=
rs were used to deliver the carbon black over the years. I know that there =
are now newer carbon black cars in service now, and models have just become=
available that represent those cars. I know that carbon black also moved i=
n two bay covered hoppers in earlier eras because I saw them but never got =
a photo of one. Models where also produced of these cars. Did carbon black =
move in box cars before covered hoppers became common, or was it moved in c=
overed gondolas or some other special service car? Thanks for any info..
> Mike Carlson

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<div>The Gates plant was built in the late 1910s. There is a series o=
f photos documenting its construction in the on-line Dever Public Library W=
etsern History digital collection. The plant ceased operations in 1991 and =
then steadily deteriorated into an abandoned derilect ruin until demolished=
in 2013-2014.<br clear=3D"none">
<br clear=3D"none">
The main plant complex was to the east of the Joint Line mains, and was swi=
tched by the C&amp;S, while the inbound materials (raw rubber, carbon black=
, solvants) complex was to the west of the main, switched by the Rio Grande=
.. I have found a single photo showing the Grande=E2=80=99s South Local wit=
h an ACFX CF 4589 carbon black car lettered for Ashland Chemical. (One of C=
huck=E2=80=99s from the list files?)<br clear=3D"none">
<br clear=3D"none">
Carbon black is mainly produced from petrolium coke in Oklahoma and the Gul=
f Coast region, which points toward the car routing and interchange point. =
I have found a single photo of a northbound D&amp;RGW Joint Line train with=
one of the older design carbon black covered hoppers. That=E2=80=99s not s=
urprising since any Gulf Coast cb traffic would more likely be handled by A=
TSF or C&amp;S direct to Denver, and any wb Oklahoma cb traffic to be inter=
changed in Denver via the RI, or in Pueblo by the MP.<br clear=3D"none">
<br clear=3D"none">
Jim Eager<br clear=3D"none">
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&gt; Gentlemen,<br clear=3D"none">
&gt; Does anyone have any photos of the cars the carbon black was delivered=
in. at the the plant and how they were routed onto the Rio Grande. Did th=
ey originate on the D&amp;RGW or where they received from interchange from =
other railroad(s), and at what interchange locations, Denver. Pueblo, Salt =
Lake others? Also when was this plant built and how long has it been in ope=
ration. I am sure it was over several decades and most probably several typ=
es of cars were used to deliver the carbon black over the years. I know tha=
t there are now newer carbon black cars in service now, and models have jus=
t become available that represent those cars. I know that carbon black also=
moved in two bay covered hoppers in earlier eras because I saw them but ne=
ver got a photo of one. Models where also produced of these cars. Did carbo=
n black move in box cars before covered hoppers became common, or was it mo=
ved in covered gondolas or some other special service car? Thanks for any =
info..<br clear=3D"none">
&gt; Mike Carlson<br clear=3D"none">
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