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[DRGW] Re: New D&RGW 36' boxcar from Accurail David Allen dallen@nmu.e... [DRGW] (DRGW@yahoogroups.c...) 2017-09-05 23:03:59
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[DRGW] Re: New D&RGW 36' boxcar from Accurail Steven Seguine rgsteve@yahoo.c... [DRGW] (DRGW@yahoogroups.c...) 2017-09-07 15:20:52
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Re: [DRGW] Re: New D&RGW 36' boxcar from Accurail johntudek@ymail.c... [DRGW] (DRGW@yahoogroups.c...) 2017-09-08 04:01:13
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From: jaguar66@aol.c... [DRGW] (DRGW@yahoogroups.c...)
Date: 2017-09-08 09:57:24
Subject: Re: [DRGW] Re: New D&RGW 36' boxcar from Accurail

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Some Car Builder's Dictionary contents can be found on the internet. Here =
is a link to the 1916 version:
https://ia800200.us.archive.org/17/items/cu31924032183216/cu31924032183216.=
pdf

Note that this is a file about 96mb in size.

In the 1916 version, I find the following Grab Iron entry on 'book page' 79=
:

Grab Iron. 32, Figs. 287, 288; 23, Fig. 291 ; 9 and 10, Fig.
364. Also termed hand holds and grab handles. They
are attached to freight cars for the use of trainmen
in boarding the cars, and are often more definitely
specified as roof, side or end grab irons. They are
attached to the ends of passenger equipment cars,
both for the use of trainmen and for passengers while
boarding a train. See Safety Appliances. Similar
parts on passenger cars are called Hand Rails.

The Sill Steps discussion begins on book page 154.

Remember that 'book page' and pdf file page are often different.

Dick

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Richard Eaton
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-----Original Message-----
From: johntudek@ymail.c... [DRGW] <DRGW@yahoogroups.c...>
To: DRGW <DRGW@yahoogroups.c...>
Sent: Thu, Sep 7, 2017 9:01 pm
Subject: Re: [DRGW] Re: New D&RGW 36' boxcar from Accurail




William,


Yes, they are HO scale.


Steve Sequine's posting of the second proposed lettering scheme for
1909 looks to be right on the mark from the photos I've seen of these
cars. They may or may not require a few very minor detail changes=20
depending on the actual period being modeled. For example, as built
in 1909, the cars had no sill steps or grab irons on the "B-R" and "A-L"
corners.=20=20


But, with the advent of the United States Safety Appliance Standards
dated March 13, 1911 as contained in the order of the I. C. C. these were
applied fairly rapidly by the Grande and other U. S. railroads. If one has
access to either the 1912 or 1916 Car Builders Dictionary a very detailed=20
description of the Standards can be found. Safe to say that by 1915, these
cars would have had sill steps and grab irons applied. As built, they did
have the Schedule KC 1012 air brakes applied.


Most of the specific history of the cars can actually be traced, though the
Valuation Cards are long gone. The Colo. R.R. Museum has one of the "D&RGW
Car Series Fully Retired" ledgers available and the various AFE's for a sp=
ecific
car can be traced. (but not all of them) For example the date specific ca=
rs
had their trucks changed from arch bar to Betterndorf and Andrews is not
shown for the specific car, but at least two other AFE's have been found wh=
ich=20
do show this item.


Incidentally, 62000 to 63499 used both types of trucks and in a very few ca=
ses
such as with 62117, 62161 and 62795 one truck of each type was used under
the same car, while the 63133, 63340 and 63499 had a pair of Andre ws truck=
s
under them. Note that some of these truck changes occurred as late as 1938=
.


John T.








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<font color='black' size='2' face='Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif'>So<font size="2">me Car Builder's Dictionary contents can be found on the internet.&nbsp; Here is a link to the 1916 version:<br>
https://ia800200.us.archive.org/17/items/cu31924032183216/cu31924032183216.pdf<br>;
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Note that this is a file about 96mb in size.<br>
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In the 1916 version, I find the following <b>Grab Iron</b> entry on 'book page' 79:<br>
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Grab Iron. 32, Figs. 287, 288; 23, Fig. 291 ; 9 and 10, Fig.<br>
364. Also termed hand holds and grab handles. They<br>
are attached to freight cars for the use of trainmen<br>
in boarding the cars, and are often more definitely<br>
specified as roof, side or end grab irons. They are<br>
attached to the ends of passenger equipment cars,<br>
both for the use of trainmen and for passengers while<br>
boarding a train. See Safety Appliances. Similar<br>
parts on passenger cars are called Hand Rails.<br>
<br>
The <b>Sill Steps</b> discussion begins on book page 154.<br>
<br>
Remember that 'book page' and pdf file page are often different.<br>
<br>
Dick<br>
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William,
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<div>Yes, they are HO scale.</div>

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<div>Steve Sequine's posting of the second proposed lettering scheme for</div>

<div>1909 looks to be right on the mark from the photos I've seen of these</div>

<div>cars. &nbsp;They may or may not require a few very minor detail changes&nbsp;</div>

<div>depending on&nbsp;<span style="word-spacing:normal;">the actual period being modeled. &nbsp;For example, as built</span></div>

<div><span style="word-spacing:normal;">in 1909, the cars had no sill steps or grab irons on the "B-R" and "A-L"</span></div>

<div><span style="word-spacing:normal;">corners. &nbsp;</span></div>

<div><span style="word-spacing:normal;"><br>
</span></div>

<div><span style="word-spacing:normal;">But, with the advent of the United States Safety Appliance Standards</span></div>

<div><span style="word-spacing:normal;">dated March 13, 1911 as contained in the order of the I. C. C. these were</span></div>

<div><span style="word-spacing:normal;">applied fairly rapidly by the Grande and other U. S. railroads. &nbsp;If one has</span></div>

<div><span style="word-spacing:normal;">access to either the 1912 or 1916 Car Builders Dictionary a very detailed&nbsp;</span></div>

<div><span style="word-spacing:normal;">description of the Standards can be found. &nbsp;Safe to say that by 1915, these</span></div>

<div><span style="word-spacing:normal;">cars would have had sill steps and grab irons applied. &nbsp;As built, they did</span></div>

<div><span style="word-spacing:normal;">have the Schedule KC 1012 air brakes applied.</span></div>

<div><span style="word-spacing:normal;"><br>
</span></div>

<div><span style="word-spacing:normal;">Most of the specific history of the cars can actually be traced, though the</span></div>

<div><span style="word-spacing:normal;">Valuation Cards are long gone. &nbsp;The Colo. R.R. Museum has one of the "D&amp;RGW</span></div>

<div><span style="word-spacing:normal;">Car Series
Fully Retired" ledgers available and the various AFE's for a specific</span></div>

<div><span style="word-spacing:normal;">car can be traced. &nbsp;(but not all of them) &nbsp;For example the date specific cars</span></div>

<div><span style="word-spacing:normal;">had their trucks changed from arch bar to Betterndorf and Andrews is not</span></div>

<div><span style="word-spacing:normal;">shown for the specific car, but at least two other AFE's have been found which&nbsp;</span></div>

<div><span style="word-spacing:normal;">do show this item.</span></div>

<div><span style="word-spacing:normal;"><br>
</span></div>

<div><span style="word-spacing:normal;">Incidentally, 62000 to 63499 used both types of trucks and in a very few cases</span></div>

<div><span style="word-spacing:normal;">such as with 62117, 62161 and 62795 one truck of each type was used under</span></div>

<div><span style="word-spacing:normal;">the same car, while the 63133, 63340 and 63499 had a pair of Andre
ws trucks</span></div>

<div><span style="word-spacing:normal;">under them. &nbsp;Note that some of these truck changes occurred as late as 1938.</span></div>

<div><span style="word-spacing:normal;"><br>
</span></div>

<div><span style="word-spacing:normal;">John T.</span></div>

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