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[DRGW] No more California Zephyr 'Bastl' drgw@daeunert.d... [DRGW] (DRGW@yahoogroups.c...) 2017-03-29 15:32:51
RE: [DRGW] No more California Zephyr 'Dave Pfeiffer' dave.pfeiffer@verizon.n... [DRGW] (DRGW@yahoogroups.c...) 2017-03-29 11:07:58
RE: [DRGW] No more California Zephyr jimfitch3@gmail.c... [DRGW] (DRGW@yahoogroups.c...) 2017-03-29 15:11:41
Re: [DRGW] No more California Zephyr michael carlson mamicarl@att.n... [DRGW] (DRGW@yahoogroups.c...) 2017-03-29 16:14:50
Re: [DRGW] No more California Zephyr Nicholas Gotwalt Nicholas.A.Gotwalt@gmail.c... [DRGW] (DRGW@yahoogroups.c...) 2017-03-29 19:36:48
Re: [DRGW] No more California Zephyr David Standen standen.david@yahoo.c... [DRGW] (DRGW@yahoogroups.c...) 2017-03-30 03:42:24
AW: [DRGW] No more California Zephyr 'Bastl' drgw@daeunert.d... [DRGW] (DRGW@yahoogroups.c...) 2017-03-30 11:10:40
Re: [DRGW] No more California Zephyr Nicholas Gotwalt Nicholas.A.Gotwalt@gmail.c... [DRGW] (DRGW@yahoogroups.c...) 2017-03-30 10:54:40
Re: AW: [DRGW] No more California Zephyr Doug Arnold oldjasper@verizon.n... [DRGW] (DRGW@yahoogroups.c...) 2017-03-30 09:41:33
Re: AW: [DRGW] No more California Zephyr William Canelos sharronbillc@yahoo.c... [DRGW] (DRGW@yahoogroups.c...) 2017-03-31 13:09:38
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From: Nicholas Gotwalt Nicholas.A.Gotwalt@gmail.c... [DRGW] (DRGW@yahoogroups.c...)
Date: 2017-03-30 10:54:40
Subject: Re: [DRGW] No more California Zephyr

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Hi Guys,

Here is a basic primer on how the process works. The President proposes a b=
udget. Congress takes that proposal, douses it in gasoline, sets it on fire=
, then dances on its ashes, then turns the ashes into some kind of war pain=
t. Congress then passes their own budget originating in the House of Repres=
entatives, the Senate passes something along similar lines, then there is a=
conference committee, where the two house negotiate a single passable bill=
, which is sent to the President to sign. I won=92t bother going any furthe=
r than that for now. The basic problem is this, there are effectively 48 De=
mocrats in the senate and 52 Republicans, with the Vice President a Republi=
can breaking any ties in the Senate. The reason I think Amtrak is safe is t=
hat it is quite popular in the the heavily Republican mid and mountain west=
where in many smaller communities it represents the only public transporta=
tion option for hundreds of miles. In many cases there are not even buses t=
o many of these regions. Furthermore there is a big push from the Republic=
an South to restore the New Orleans-Florida Sunset Limited which would not =
be restored and the rest of the trains would be axed as well under this pro=
posal. The heavily Republican state legislature in West Virginia just passe=
d a resolution basically begging Amtrak to make the Cardinal a daily train.=
In other words, it might be possible to zero out Amtrak in the House where=
there 230-180ish Republican advantage, but in the Senate things are much t=
ighter and Amtrak is a major issues in some rural states. Getting probably =
even 45 Republicans to vote against Amtrak will be tough. That doesn=92t me=
an we, the constituents who like and use Amtrak should not do anything, we =
need to call, write, and make ourselves colossal nuisances to our elect off=
icials until they get the message. But as far as threats to Amtrak go, I am=
a bit less worried about this one, then some previous ones.=20

Cheers,
Nick

> On Mar 30, 2017, at 5:10 AM, 'Bastl' drgw@daeunert.d... [DRGW] <DRGW@yah.o...=
roups.com> wrote:
>=20
>=20
> Hi !
>=20
>=20=20
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> Thanks everyone for the information and clarification on the subject. Jus=
t want to make sure, I do not want to start a political discussion, just cu=
rious to know if the train will continue. I am sure if there are developmen=
ts someone will post them on this group.
>=20
>=20=20
>=20
> Let=92s hope for the best, after all the Ski Train seems to have risen fr=
om the dead as well
>=20
>=20=20
>=20
> Kind regards
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>=20
> Sebastian
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>=20=20
>=20
> Von: DRGW@yahoogroups.c... <mailto:DRGW@yahoogroups.c...> [mailto:DRGW@y.h...=
ogroups.com <mailto:DRGW@yahoogroups.c...>]=20
> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 29. M=E4rz 2017 15:33
> An: DRGW@yahoogroups.c... <mailto:DRGW@yahoogroups.c...>
> Betreff: [DRGW] No more California Zephyr
>=20
>=20=20
>=20
>=20=20=20
>=20
> Hi,
>=20
>=20=20
>=20
> in our German daily newspaper (Die Welt kompakt) there was a two page fea=
ture article with many photos titled =93If you want to see America in 52 ho=
urs, you must hurry=94.
>=20
>=20=20
>=20
> The article claims that Donald Trump has stated that he thinks long dista=
nce train travel is superfluous and will cut money for Amtrak long distance=
trains. The article says that the California Zephyr will be the first vict=
im to be discontinued very soon.
>=20
>=20=20
>=20
> Being a German daily newspaper, even though not known as a tabloid but a =
more serious one, I am sure it is not as well informed as our yahoogroup he=
re.
>=20
>=20=20
>=20
> So does anyone know if this is just a rumor or if the California Zephyr w=
ill indeed be terminated?
>=20
>=20=20
>=20
> I would personally find this very sad as it is a piece of history which I=
travelled on many vacations.
>=20
>=20=20
>=20
> Thanks for any info
>=20
>=20
> Sebastian
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>=20
>=20
>=20


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Hi Guys,<div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Here is a basi=
c primer on how the process works. The President proposes a budget. Congres=
s takes that proposal, douses it in gasoline, sets it on fire, then dances =
on its ashes, then turns the ashes into some kind of war paint. Congress th=
en passes their own budget originating in the House of Representatives, the=
Senate passes something along similar lines, then there is a conference co=
mmittee, where the two house negotiate a single passable bill, which is sen=
t to the President to sign. I won=92t bother going any further than that fo=
r now. The basic problem is this, there are effectively 48 Democrats in the=
senate and 52 Republicans, with the Vice President a Republican breaking a=
ny ties in the Senate. The reason I think Amtrak is safe is that it is quit=
e popular in the the heavily Republican mid and mountain west where in many=
smaller communities it represents the only public transportation option fo=
r hundreds of miles. In many cases there are not even buses to many of thes=
e regions. &nbsp;Furthermore there is a big push from the Republican South =
to restore the New Orleans-Florida Sunset Limited which would not be restor=
ed and the rest of the trains would be axed as well under this proposal. Th=
e heavily Republican state legislature in West Virginia just passed a resol=
ution basically begging Amtrak to make the Cardinal a daily train. In other=
words, it might be possible to zero out Amtrak in the House where there 23=
0-180ish Republican advantage, but in the Senate things are much tighter an=
d Amtrak is a major issues in some rural states. Getting probably even 45 R=
epublicans to vote against Amtrak will be tough. That doesn=92t mean we, th=
e constituents who like and use Amtrak should not do anything, we need to c=
all, write, and make ourselves colossal nuisances to our elect officials un=
til they get the message. But as far as threats to Amtrak go, I am a bit le=
ss worried about this one, then some previous ones.&nbsp;</div><div class=
=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Cheers,</div><div class=3D"">Nic=
k</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""><div><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=
=3D""><div class=3D"">On Mar 30, 2017, at 5:10 AM, 'Bastl' <a href=3D"mailt=
o:drgw@daeunert.d..." class=3D"">drgw@daeunert.d...</a> [DRGW] &lt;<a href=3D"m=
ailto:DRGW@yahoogroups.c..." class=3D"">DRGW@yahoogroups.c...</a>&gt; wrote:<=
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22em;"><span style=3D"line-height: 1.22em; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Ca=
libri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">Hi !<o style=3D"font-size: 0px; line-height:=
1.22em;" class=3D""></o></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin:=
0px 0px 1em; line-height: 1.22em;"><span style=3D"line-height: 1.22em; fon=
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=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0px 0px 1em; line-height: 1.22em;"><span la=
ng=3D"EN-US" style=3D"line-height: 1.22em; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Ca=
libri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">Thanks everyone for the information and clar=
ification on the subject. Just want to make sure, I do not want to start a =
political discussion, just curious to know if the train will continue. I am=
sure if there are developments someone will post them on this group.<o sty=
le=3D"font-size: 0px; line-height: 1.22em;" class=3D""></o></span></p><p cl=
ass=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0px 0px 1em; line-height: 1.22em;"><span=
lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"line-height: 1.22em; font-size: 11pt; font-family:=
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><o style=3D"font-size: 0px; line-height: =
1.22em;" class=3D"">&nbsp;</o></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"ma=
rgin: 0px 0px 1em; line-height: 1.22em;"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"line=
-height: 1.22em; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=
=3D"">Let=92s hope for the best, after all the Ski Train seems to have rise=
n from the dead as well<o style=3D"font-size: 0px; line-height: 1.22em;" cl=
ass=3D""></o></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0px 0px 1em=
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Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">Kind regards<o style=3D"font-size: 0px; l=
ine-height: 1.22em;" class=3D""></o></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=
=3D"margin: 0px 0px 1em; line-height: 1.22em;"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=
=3D"line-height: 1.22em; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;=
" class=3D""><br style=3D"line-height: 1.22em;" class=3D"">Sebastian<o styl=
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.22em;" class=3D"">&nbsp;</o></span></p><div style=3D"line-height: 1.22em;"=
class=3D""><div style=3D"line-height: 1.22em; border-top-style: solid; bor=
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height: 1.22em;"><b style=3D"line-height: 1.22em;" class=3D""><span style=
=3D"line-height: 1.22em; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;=
" class=3D"">Von:</span></b><span style=3D"line-height: 1.22em; font-size: =
11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span class=3D"Apple-co=
nverted-space">&nbsp;</span><a href=3D"mailto:DRGW@yahoogroups.c..." style=
=3D"line-height: 1.22em; font-family: Verdana;" class=3D"">DRGW@yahoogro.p...=
.com</a><span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>[<a href=3D"mail=
to:DRGW@yahoogroups.c..." style=3D"line-height: 1.22em; font-family: Verdana=
;" class=3D"">mailto:DRGW@yahoogroups.c...</a>]<span class=3D"Apple-converte=
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e=3D"line-height: 1.22em;" class=3D"">Gesendet:</b><span class=3D"Apple-con=
verted-space">&nbsp;</span>Mittwoch, 29. M=E4rz 2017 15:33<br style=3D"line=
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n:</b><span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a href=3D"mailto:=
DRGW@yahoogroups.c..." style=3D"line-height: 1.22em; font-family: Verdana;" =
class=3D"">DRGW@yahoogroups.c...</a><br style=3D"line-height: 1.22em;" class=
=3D""><b style=3D"line-height: 1.22em;" class=3D"">Betreff:</b><span class=
=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>[DRGW] No more California Zephyr<o =
style=3D"font-size: 0px; line-height: 1.22em;" class=3D""></o></span></p></=
div></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0px 0px 1em; line-height:=
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1.22em;">&nbsp;<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><o style=
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ght: 1.22em;"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"line-height: 1.22em;" class=3D"=
">Hi,</span><o style=3D"font-size: 0px; line-height: 1.22em;" class=3D""></=
o></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0px 0px 1em; line-height: 1.2=
2em;"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"line-height: 1.22em;" class=3D"">&nbsp;=
</span><o style=3D"font-size: 0px; line-height: 1.22em;" class=3D""></o></p=
><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0px 0px 1em; line-height: 1.22em;"=
><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"line-height: 1.22em;" class=3D"">in our Germ=
an daily newspaper (Die Welt kompakt) there was a two page feature article =
with many photos titled =93If you want to see America in 52 hours, you must=
hurry=94.</span><o style=3D"font-size: 0px; line-height: 1.22em;" class=3D=
""></o></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0px 0px 1em; line-height=
: 1.22em;"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"line-height: 1.22em;" class=3D"">&=
nbsp;</span><o style=3D"font-size: 0px; line-height: 1.22em;" class=3D""></=
o></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0px 0px 1em; line-height: 1.2=
2em;"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"line-height: 1.22em;" class=3D"">The ar=
ticle claims that Donald Trump has stated that he thinks long distance trai=
n travel is superfluous and will cut money for Amtrak long distance trains.=
The article says that the California Zephyr will be the first victim to be=
discontinued very soon.</span><o style=3D"font-size: 0px; line-height: 1.2=
2em;" class=3D""></o></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0px 0px 1e=
m; line-height: 1.22em;"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"line-height: 1.22em;=
" class=3D"">&nbsp;</span><o style=3D"font-size: 0px; line-height: 1.22em;"=
class=3D""></o></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0px 0px 1em; li=
ne-height: 1.22em;"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"line-height: 1.22em;" cla=
ss=3D"">Being a German daily newspaper, even though not known as a tabloid =
but a more serious one, I am sure it is not as well informed as our yahoogr=
oup here.</span><o style=3D"font-size: 0px; line-height: 1.22em;" class=3D"=
"></o></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0px 0px 1em; line-height:=
1.22em;"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"line-height: 1.22em;" class=3D"">&n=
bsp;</span><o style=3D"font-size: 0px; line-height: 1.22em;" class=3D""></o=
></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0px 0px 1em; line-height: 1.22=
em;"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"line-height: 1.22em;" class=3D"">So does=
anyone know if this is just a rumor or if the California Zephyr will indee=
d be terminated?</span><o style=3D"font-size: 0px; line-height: 1.22em;" cl=
ass=3D""></o></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0px 0px 1em; line-=
height: 1.22em;"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"line-height: 1.22em;" class=
=3D"">&nbsp;</span><o style=3D"font-size: 0px; line-height: 1.22em;" class=
=3D""></o></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0px 0px 1em; line-hei=
ght: 1.22em;"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"line-height: 1.22em;" class=3D"=
">I would personally find this very sad as it is a piece of history which I=
travelled on many vacations.</span><o style=3D"font-size: 0px; line-height=
: 1.22em;" class=3D""></o></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0px 0=
px 1em; line-height: 1.22em;"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"line-height: 1.=
22em;" class=3D"">&nbsp;</span><o style=3D"font-size: 0px; line-height: 1.2=
2em;" class=3D""></o></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0px 0px 1e=
m; line-height: 1.22em;"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"line-height: 1.22em;=
" class=3D"">Thanks for any info</span><o style=3D"font-size: 0px; line-hei=
ght: 1.22em;" class=3D""></o></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0p=
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n</span><o style=3D"font-size: 0px; line-height: 1.22em;" class=3D""></o></=
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